Comments on: Sales Objection #2: MUMPS is Dead (No, its actually EPIC) http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/2009/01/12/sales-objection-2-mumps-is-dead-no-its-actually-epic/ The Next Generation of Health Care Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:55:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Hoot72 » MUMPS-inside http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/2009/01/12/sales-objection-2-mumps-is-dead-no-its-actually-epic/#comment-1270 Hoot72 » MUMPS-inside Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:03:34 +0000 http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/?p=438#comment-1270 [...] Today, the notion of a domain-specific language and store seems perverse but, like that domain-specific protocol, HL7, MUMPS is all over health-care. Cites:MUMPS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediawww.intersystems.com/cache/whitepapers/pdf/BestKeptSecret.pdfInterSystems Caché - World's fastest database MUMPS is Dead (No, its actually EPIC) « Crossover Healthcare [...] [...] Today, the notion of a domain-specific language and store seems perverse but, like that domain-specific protocol, HL7, MUMPS is all over health-care. Cites:MUMPS – Wikipedia, the free encyclopediawww.intersystems.com/cache/whitepapers/pdf/BestKeptSecret.pdfInterSystems Caché – World's fastest database MUMPS is Dead (No, its actually EPIC) « Crossover Healthcare [...]

]]> By: Ten Fold (10X): Is There Really an Order of Magnitude Difference? « Crossover Healthcare http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/2009/01/12/sales-objection-2-mumps-is-dead-no-its-actually-epic/#comment-744 Ten Fold (10X): Is There Really an Order of Magnitude Difference? « Crossover Healthcare Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:14:26 +0000 http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/?p=438#comment-744 [...] items caught my attention. They follow on the heels of some of my recent writings on VistA EHR, MUMPS based systems, and the idea of virtuous cycle investments as a true stimulus in helping to lay down the health [...] [...] items caught my attention. They follow on the heels of some of my recent writings on VistA EHR, MUMPS based systems, and the idea of virtuous cycle investments as a true stimulus in helping to lay down the health [...]

]]> By: Tim Cook http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/2009/01/12/sales-objection-2-mumps-is-dead-no-its-actually-epic/#comment-729 Tim Cook Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:25:04 +0000 http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/?p=438#comment-729 When will the education institutions gear up to start teaching it? When will the education institutions gear up to start teaching it?

]]> By: Chris Richardson http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/2009/01/12/sales-objection-2-mumps-is-dead-no-its-actually-epic/#comment-710 Chris Richardson Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:20:14 +0000 http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/?p=438#comment-710 I have worked in MUMPS for over 30 years now. Back in 1980, we heard that MUMPS is dead. We heard during the 1990's that MUMPS would be going away any day now. Here we are, late in the first decade of 2000, and people are still telling us that MUMPS is dead. Well, they better sit up and smell the coffee, cause that wishful thinking by the vendors is no closer to being true now, than it was back in the 1980s. Don't you think if they could have successfully replaced MUMPS, that they would have by now? What is taking them so long? Most MUMPS systems are replaced for political reasons, and not for technical or financial reasons. The performance is just too good and the flexibility and scalability are excellent with MUMPS and VistA. As for supportability, VistA systems have much better up-time than most other systems. We have had for decades. I have worked in MUMPS for over 30 years now. Back in 1980, we heard that MUMPS is dead. We heard during the 1990’s that MUMPS would be going away any day now. Here we are, late in the first decade of 2000, and people are still telling us that MUMPS is dead. Well, they better sit up and smell the coffee, cause that wishful thinking by the vendors is no closer to being true now, than it was back in the 1980s.

Don’t you think if they could have successfully replaced MUMPS, that they would have by now? What is taking them so long? Most MUMPS systems are replaced for political reasons, and not for technical or financial reasons. The performance is just too good and the flexibility and scalability are excellent with MUMPS and VistA.

As for supportability, VistA systems have much better up-time than most other systems. We have had for decades.

]]> By: back2basics http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/2009/01/12/sales-objection-2-mumps-is-dead-no-its-actually-epic/#comment-707 back2basics Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:32:32 +0000 http://blog.crossoverhealth.com/?p=438#comment-707 It’s not only not dead its future is bright. Both Vista and EPIC used some form of broker to communicate between the database and client. If EPIC would convert to the Cache class model and away from KB SQL we would see a huge speed increase. While other vendors and customer struggle to use the system in meaningful way, the MUMPS based vendors can make small changes to workflow or small customizations quickly and easily. That’s another strength of EPIC, its "programming point" architecture is one of its great strength. More and more post go-live EPIC implementations are looking for MUMPS programmers to use this architecture. It’s not only not dead its future is bright. Both Vista and EPIC used some form of broker to communicate between the database and client. If EPIC would convert to the Cache class model and away from KB SQL we would see a huge speed increase.

While other vendors and customer struggle to use the system in meaningful way, the MUMPS based vendors can make small changes to workflow or small customizations quickly and easily. That’s another strength of EPIC, its “programming point” architecture is one of its great strength. More and more post go-live EPIC implementations are looking for MUMPS programmers to use this architecture.

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